tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367019700923216960.post4016226168393265238..comments2024-01-17T13:19:24.071-06:00Comments on Salvation And Survival: How The Church Got Off-TrackPam Kohlerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00678673505358164380noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367019700923216960.post-79347816930667689732017-05-17T15:34:33.215-05:002017-05-17T15:34:33.215-05:00Ditto all Ive heard here!Ditto all Ive heard here!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367019700923216960.post-65461000401434158742017-05-17T11:16:50.747-05:002017-05-17T11:16:50.747-05:00God will be faithful to reward your obedience to k...God will be faithful to reward your obedience to know Him more and to follow His commandments. Blessings as you go forward!Pam Kohlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678673505358164380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367019700923216960.post-84989194987169706272017-05-17T11:15:59.307-05:002017-05-17T11:15:59.307-05:00Absolutely agree, when the building material is ma...Absolutely agree, when the building material is man-made!Pam Kohlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678673505358164380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367019700923216960.post-35627467407797121142017-05-16T23:37:33.624-05:002017-05-16T23:37:33.624-05:00It is not the foundation that is wrong it is with ...It is not the foundation that is wrong it is with what we build that gets the living church to rumple...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953266732829989687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367019700923216960.post-57142582314785303032017-05-16T19:53:18.081-05:002017-05-16T19:53:18.081-05:00Thanks for the recommendations. I've listened ...Thanks for the recommendations. I've listened to session one in one of his series. He seems balanced, so I'll proceed. It's a long road, but I trust there will be fruit. NextStagePrephttp://nextstageprep.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367019700923216960.post-42109218116478168642017-05-16T16:33:19.372-05:002017-05-16T16:33:19.372-05:00All the thoughts and doubts you are expressing are...All the thoughts and doubts you are expressing are quite common among Christians who are beginning to see the Truth in Scripture. But realize that the devil wants you to embrace those doubts so you won't actually do the works.<br /><br />And you should start listening to faithful men like Steve Peace Harmon, Curry Blake, and Bill Johnson (all have videos on Youtube) , who are crazy successful in healing people. They all spent many months and even years, before they actually had a successful healing, but they never quit! They will all say that it was a matter of faith -- of believing Jesus's commission to heal and they only failed if they quit. Although they didn't heal anyone at first, they believed that God would eventually come through... and He did! Curry Blake is actually the one I would recommend. <br /><br />Go to YouTube and look up his name and DHT (Divine Healing Training). He is helpful in overcoming our "sacred cows" of doctrine and theology that keep us from doing as Jesus commanded. My husband and I are actually a part of a group of Christians who are doing the training and are committed to follow Jesus's commands to go out and heal. And yes, I'm pretty sure there is a part of Peter in all of us! Pam Kohlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678673505358164380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367019700923216960.post-51427890717226184982017-05-16T11:21:50.475-05:002017-05-16T11:21:50.475-05:00Yes, agreed. It's taken me quite a bit to admi...Yes, agreed. It's taken me quite a bit to admit that some people are really healed in all the crazy knuckle-headed stuff going on out there, which reminds me of those who cast out demons in Jesus name bud didn't really know Him. <br /><br />One of the things my small group grappled with was praying for healing in one another, as James exhorts, verses actually performing the work (declaration) as the apostles were commanded to do. The accounts reveal they didn't go out and pray but they went out and healed, as Jesus did. They weren't praying for YHWH to intervene, they seem to be the conduit themselves for the healing. Maybe part of the design is for us to find balance between our own authority (which can slide into pride) and acknowledgment that it's actually His power, not ours.<br /><br />I'm like Peter apparently; my spirit is completely confident in my authority to heal but I don't utilize it (yet) because I think I'm afraid of sinking... that the person won't be healed. It seems to require huge faith and huge risks... and complete surrender of self because if God is anointing us to heal and people aren't healed, then I'm afraid He will look bad and myself too. That would be a type of blasphemy and taking His name in vain.<br /><br />I know I'm being asked to overcome these obstacles.<br /><br />NextStagePrepnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367019700923216960.post-47293506835373023342017-05-16T07:56:05.633-05:002017-05-16T07:56:05.633-05:00I absolutely agree with everything you said, and l...I absolutely agree with everything you said, and like you, I admit it is a mystery as to why some people are healed and some are not. Definitely, the choices we make in our diets and lifestyles attribute to the sicknesses in our bodies, and we have to take responsibility for those choices and not expect God to heal us while we go on sinning or destroying our human vessels.<br /><br />And, yes, Satan has been able to infiltrate various movements with false doctrine, and unscrupulous men, just as he's done whenever the Kingdom of God makes inroads in this world. But, it is up to us to diligently search out God's Truth in these ministries and acknowledge the fruit that is there, while denouncing all that does not line up with Scripture. For those with discerning hearts and minds, we can recognize that the fact that the Enemy has come against supernatural healing by corrupting these movements, shows that he knows the power of these new revelations.<br /><br />I totally agree with your statement that "healing accompanies the greater kingdom work of God" and I believe we are on the precipice of a new revival of the "works of Jesus" -- done by faithful believers who seek to follow His model and use the Power and Authority that He has given us. He wants us to do the work in His Name, which glorifies Him -- rather than us praying and expecting Him to do it for us. Make sense? I have always wondered if that is why God did not remove Paul's thorn ... because He wanted Paul to use His authority to command it to be removed, rather than praying for (and asking) God to remove it for him. (Just a concept I am still trying to flesh out).<br /><br />In the end, I am still learning, too, and trying to listen to the Holy Spirit for my answers. I simply want to be obedient and do all I can to bring the Kingdom of God to this corrupted world, which so badly needs it. I appreciate your comment so much! God Bless you!Pam Kohlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678673505358164380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367019700923216960.post-84043915699260709042017-05-16T06:55:03.541-05:002017-05-16T06:55:03.541-05:00Great perspective, Pam. Thank you. I think that li...Great perspective, Pam. Thank you. I think that like most things, how the Church got off track is a layered onion. Certainly the blueprint worldview plays its part and one we all suffer from.<br /><br />Specific to healing, I'm grateful for the Pentecostal and Charismatic efforts to bring it back; however, the adversary has warped those efforts into something many of us can barely stomach and that's the dishonestly, lies, showboating, embezzlement, false doctrine, heresy, etc. that has infected those movements. In my opinion, the general perception of supernatural healing is stiffed by bad fruits of ministries gone wild. Televangelist faith healers might be the biggest stumbling block to real healing revival on any scale.<br /><br />Additionally, we don't have truthful answers to why some people are healed and others aren't. I've witnessed "failed" healing after healing after laying on of hands, fasting, declarations, etc. It's not because the individuals in need had sin in their lives or lacked faith. And it's not because the ones administering weren't following some bogus ritual (like pagan religious practice). We are simply ignorant of the whole truth (even me).<br /><br />Paul was not healed of his "thorn in the flesh." Many use this as evidence for the "blueprint" philosophy. For some reason, he wasn't healed. I can just see a TV star telling Paul he lacked faith or didn't send enough money. <br /><br />Some diseases and sicknesses are onset/switched on by lifestyle (I saw my father's battle with diabetes confirm this). Do they need supernatural healing or just some discipline with diet? Sometimes healing involves psychological resurrection... a conviction to get off the couch and be as proactive as possible. <br /><br />Some handicaps are hereditary (like mine and many in Scripture). Our genetics are indeed part of the corruption from sin. It is completely possible to be healed of these, yet some are healed and some are not.<br /><br />In all these scenarios, and from what I can tell from Scripture, healing accompanies the greater kingdom work of God. Like you said, it is used to to evangelize and encourage, to spread the message, to give hope and restore. It's certainly an expression and extension of God's love.<br /><br />So obviously my statements here are evidence I'm still learning. I appreciate you digging through this and trust I will be different as a result.NextStagePrephttp://nextstageprep.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367019700923216960.post-31615128678418607402017-05-15T17:56:11.480-05:002017-05-15T17:56:11.480-05:00Your point is well made! And I am actually encour...Your point is well made! And I am actually encouraged by the Church members I am seeing who are beginning to educate others within the buildings. Whether or not the body of the Church is willing to come out of that complacency you talk about -- or is comfortable in their powerless theology and doctrine -- remains to be seen. But I am believing in the movement of the Holy Spirit that I am seeing, and it is inspiring!Pam Kohlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00678673505358164380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-367019700923216960.post-28917980401390620572017-05-15T14:57:09.145-05:002017-05-15T14:57:09.145-05:00In the words of Hillary "At this point what d...In the words of Hillary "At this point what does it really matter". The real issue now is why can't church people as well as church leadership recognize the church has careened of pavement and is is so far in the weeds that oncoming trees could be a factor. Complacentcy? is killing the church and its up to the church to self critique. Lets face it, the secular world isn't going to put the church on notice that red lights on the dash are warning "oncoming tree ahead" We must save the church if it is to happen!! PLWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com